Troll? Isn't that what your mother raised?

"Tom Willett" wrote:

> A third party is often a company that provides an auxiliary product not
> supplied by the primary manufacturer to the end user. A second-party
> developer is a developer who, while being a separate entity from any
> manufacturer, is tied to a specific one usually through contract or partial
> ownership and makes products specifically for that manufacturer.
>
> Tom
> "Ted Zieglar" <teddy.z.TakeThisOut@news.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OoRHM285GHA.4644@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | So who's the "second party"?
> |
> | ---
> | Ted Zieglar
> | "Backup is a computer user's best friend."
> |
> | DatabaseBen wrote:
> | > first party refers to "microsoft" the maker of "windows o.s."
> | >
> | > third party refers to companies not related to the first party
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > "Ted Zieglar" <teddy.z.TakeThisOut@news.invalid> wrote in message
> | > news:ezbMfv75GHA.2288@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | >> What is the definition of a "first party" driver? And what are "second
> | >> party" and "third party" drivers?
> | >>
> | >> ---
> | >> Ted Zieglar
> | >> "Backup is a computer user's best friend."
> | >>
> | >> DatabaseBen wrote:
> | >>> ok,
> | >>>
> | >>> in safe mode only first party drivers are loaded
> | >>> while in normal mode first, second and third party drivers are all
> | >>> loaded.
> | >>>
> | >>> try going to sysinternals.com and download autoruns
> | >>> this will reveal all the drivers loaded and give you
> | >>> the opportunity to remove them.
> | >>>
> | >>> it will divide the processes into tabs.
> | >>> then review each line item and uncheck the ones
> | >>> that is not needed or shouldn't be required by your system.
> | >>> then double click the filename and the registry will open and
> | >>> show you the modifications. If you change your mind later
> | >>> you can recheck the disabled item.
> | >>>
> | >>> But it would be my
> | >>> guess that any process that interferes with your system,
> | >>> shouldn't be required to automaticatlly run without your help
> | >>> or knowledge.
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>> "Ritter197" <Ritter197.TakeThisOut@Verizon.net> wrote in message
> | >>> news:dcEUg.7132$pS3.5660@trnddc01...
> | >>>> In Safe mode it shuts down very quickly.
> | >>>>
> | >>>> Should I try uninstalling 1 application after another and see each
> time
> | >>>> whether that makes the shutdown quick?
> | >>>>
> | >>>>
> | >>>> "DatabaseBen" <databaseben.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
> | >>>> news:O81mxh05GHA.3952@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | >>>>> basically, it didn't take forever to shutdown.
> | >>>>> simply putting it, the system didn't shutdown.
> | >>>>>
> | >>>>>
> | >>>>> likely an issue with hardware....
> | >>>>> try testing the theory via safemode..
> | >>>>>
> | >>>>> "Ritter197" <Ritter197.TakeThisOut@Verizon.net> wrote in message
> | >>>>> news:gKCUg.2929$Pk2.753@trnddc08...
> | >>>>>> I have gotten a new 4400+ HP computer, dual core, with WindowsXP.
> SP#2
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>> It takes sometimes forever (last night I went to bed and in the
> | >>>>>> morning it still had not shut down)
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>> I have run 3 different programs (Ad-aware, Spybot search and
> destroy
> | >>>>>> and Adware away) plus an AV program NOD32. None find a problem.
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>> I have also run a defrag with Diskkeeper 10 two days ago, ( it is
> | >>>>>> also set to defrag in the background) but it still has this big
> | >>>>>> problem with shutdown.
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>> My 2.8Ghz computer shuts down almost immediately by comparison,
> | >>>>>> running the same Windows XP, SP #2 and many more programs.
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>> What are your ideas here ?
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>>
> | >
>
>
>

Troll? Isn't that what your mother raised?

"Tom Willett" wrote:

> A third party is often a company that provides an auxiliary product not
> supplied by the primary manufacturer to the end user. A second-party
> developer is a developer who, while being a separate entity from any
> manufacturer, is tied to a specific one usually through contract or partial
> ownership and makes products specifically for that manufacturer.
>
> Tom
> "Ted Zieglar" <teddy.z RemoveThis @news.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OoRHM285GHA.4644@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | So who's the "second party"?
> |
> | ---
> | Ted Zieglar
> | "Backup is a computer user's best friend."
> |
> | DatabaseBen wrote:
> | > first party refers to "microsoft" the maker of "windows o.s."
> | >
> | > third party refers to companies not related to the first party
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > "Ted Zieglar" <teddy.z RemoveThis @news.invalid> wrote in message
> | > news:ezbMfv75GHA.2288@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | >> What is the definition of a "first party" driver? And what are "second
> | >> party" and "third party" drivers?
> | >>
> | >> ---
> | >> Ted Zieglar
> | >> "Backup is a computer user's best friend."
> | >>
> | >> DatabaseBen wrote:
> | >>> ok,
> | >>>
> | >>> in safe mode only first party drivers are loaded
> | >>> while in normal mode first, second and third party drivers are all
> | >>> loaded.
> | >>>
> | >>> try going to sysinternals.com and download autoruns
> | >>> this will reveal all the drivers loaded and give you
> | >>> the opportunity to remove them.
> | >>>
> | >>> it will divide the processes into tabs.
> | >>> then review each line item and uncheck the ones
> | >>> that is not needed or shouldn't be required by your system.
> | >>> then double click the filename and the registry will open and
> | >>> show you the modifications. If you change your mind later
> | >>> you can recheck the disabled item.
> | >>>
> | >>> But it would be my
> | >>> guess that any process that interferes with your system,
> | >>> shouldn't be required to automaticatlly run without your help
> | >>> or knowledge.
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>> "Ritter197" <Ritter197 RemoveThis @Verizon.net> wrote in message
> | >>> news:dcEUg.7132$pS3.5660@trnddc01...
> | >>>> In Safe mode it shuts down very quickly.
> | >>>>
> | >>>> Should I try uninstalling 1 application after another and see each
> time
> | >>>> whether that makes the shutdown quick?
> | >>>>
> | >>>>
> | >>>> "DatabaseBen" <databaseben RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message
> | >>>> news:O81mxh05GHA.3952@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | >>>>> basically, it didn't take forever to shutdown.
> | >>>>> simply putting it, the system didn't shutdown.
> | >>>>>
> | >>>>>
> | >>>>> likely an issue with hardware....
> | >>>>> try testing the theory via safemode..
> | >>>>>
> | >>>>> "Ritter197" <Ritter197 RemoveThis @Verizon.net> wrote in message
> | >>>>> news:gKCUg.2929$Pk2.753@trnddc08...
> | >>>>>> I have gotten a new 4400+ HP computer, dual core, with WindowsXP.
> SP#2
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>> It takes sometimes forever (last night I went to bed and in the
> | >>>>>> morning it still had not shut down)
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>> I have run 3 different programs (Ad-aware, Spybot search and
> destroy
> | >>>>>> and Adware away) plus an AV program NOD32. None find a problem.
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>> I have also run a defrag with Diskkeeper 10 two days ago, ( it is
> | >>>>>> also set to defrag in the background) but it still has this big
> | >>>>>> problem with shutdown.
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>> My 2.8Ghz computer shuts down almost immediately by comparison,
> | >>>>>> running the same Windows XP, SP #2 and many more programs.
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>> What are your ideas here ?
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>>
> | >>>>>>
> | >
>
>
>

Ritter197 wrote:
> I have gotten a new 4400+ HP computer, dual core, with
> WindowsXP. SP#2
>
> It takes sometimes forever (last night I went to bed and in
> the morning it still had not shut down)
>
> I have run 3 different programs (Ad-aware, Spybot search
> and destroy and Adware away) plus an AV program NOD32. None
> find a problem.
>
> I have also run a defrag with Diskkeeper 10 two days ago,
> ( it is also set to defrag in the background) but it still
> has this big problem with shutdown.
>
> My 2.8Ghz computer shuts down almost immediately by
> comparison, running the same Windows XP, SP #2 and many
> more programs.
>
> What are your ideas here ?

DatabaseBen wrote:
> basically, it didn't take forever to shutdown.
> simply putting it, the system didn't shutdown.
>
> likely an issue with hardware....
> try testing the theory via safemode..

Ritter197:
> In Safe mode it shuts down very quickly.
>
> Should I try uninstalling 1 application after another and see
> each time whether that makes the shutdown quick?

DatabaseBen wrote:
> in safe mode only first party drivers are loaded
> while in normal mode first, second and third party drivers are
> all loaded.
>
> try going to sysinternals.com and download autoruns
> this will reveal all the drivers loaded and give you
> the opportunity to remove them.
>
> it will divide the processes into tabs.
> then review each line item and uncheck the ones
> that is not needed or shouldn't be required by your system.
> then double click the filename and the registry will open and
> show you the modifications. If you change your mind later
> you can recheck the disabled item.
>
> But it would be my
> guess that any process that interferes with your system,
> shouldn't be required to automaticatlly run without your help
> or knowledge.

Ted Zieglar wrote:
> What is the definition of a "first party" driver? And what are
> "second party" and "third party" drivers?

DatabaseBen wrote:
> first party refers to "microsoft" the maker of "windows o.s."
>
> third party refers to companies not related to the first party

Ted Zieglar wrote:
> So who's the "second party"?

Tom Willett wrote:
> A third party is often a company that provides an auxiliary
> product not supplied by the primary manufacturer to the end user.
> A second-party developer is a developer who, while being a
> separate entity from any manufacturer, is tied to a specific one
> usually through contract or partial ownership and makes products
> specifically for that manufacturer.

joey0101 wrote:
> Troll? Isn't that what your mother raised?

Joey0101,

I am confused as to what your response references and why it was made 41
days after the original posting/set of responses that seem to be in the part
of the thread you are replying to.

I am sure you have a reason to attack 'Ritter197' or DatabaseBen' or
'Ted Zieglar' or 'Tom Willett' - but I must be missing that reason in this
thread/part of it. Can you enlighten me?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Ritter197 wrote:
> I have gotten a new 4400+ HP computer, dual core, with
> WindowsXP. SP#2
>
> It takes sometimes forever (last night I went to bed and in
> the morning it still had not shut down)
>
> I have run 3 different programs (Ad-aware, Spybot search
> and destroy and Adware away) plus an AV program NOD32. None
> find a problem.
>
> I have also run a defrag with Diskkeeper 10 two days ago,
> ( it is also set to defrag in the background) but it still
> has this big problem with shutdown.
>
> My 2.8Ghz computer shuts down almost immediately by
> comparison, running the same Windows XP, SP #2 and many
> more programs.
>
> What are your ideas here ?

DatabaseBen wrote:
> basically, it didn't take forever to shutdown.
> simply putting it, the system didn't shutdown.
>
> likely an issue with hardware....
> try testing the theory via safemode..

Ritter197:
> In Safe mode it shuts down very quickly.
>
> Should I try uninstalling 1 application after another and see
> each time whether that makes the shutdown quick?

DatabaseBen wrote:
> in safe mode only first party drivers are loaded
> while in normal mode first, second and third party drivers are
> all loaded.
>
> try going to sysinternals.com and download autoruns
> this will reveal all the drivers loaded and give you
> the opportunity to remove them.
>
> it will divide the processes into tabs.
> then review each line item and uncheck the ones
> that is not needed or shouldn't be required by your system.
> then double click the filename and the registry will open and
> show you the modifications. If you change your mind later
> you can recheck the disabled item.
>
> But it would be my
> guess that any process that interferes with your system,
> shouldn't be required to automaticatlly run without your help
> or knowledge.

Ted Zieglar wrote:
> What is the definition of a "first party" driver? And what are
> "second party" and "third party" drivers?

DatabaseBen wrote:
> first party refers to "microsoft" the maker of "windows o.s."
>
> third party refers to companies not related to the first party

Ted Zieglar wrote:
> So who's the "second party"?

Tom Willett wrote:
> A third party is often a company that provides an auxiliary
> product not supplied by the primary manufacturer to the end user.
> A second-party developer is a developer who, while being a
> separate entity from any manufacturer, is tied to a specific one
> usually through contract or partial ownership and makes products
> specifically for that manufacturer.

joey0101 wrote:
> Troll? Isn't that what your mother raised?

Joey0101,

I am confused as to what your response references and why it was made 41
days after the original posting/set of responses that seem to be in the part
of the thread you are replying to.

I am sure you have a reason to attack 'Ritter197' or DatabaseBen' or
'Ted Zieglar' or 'Tom Willett' - but I must be missing that reason in this
thread/part of it. Can you enlighten me?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html