"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
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> "M.I.5¾" <no.one.TakeThisOut@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures of
>>>>> it being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are
>>>>> each approx 8 MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be
>>>>> at:
>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this
>>>> PC, so I am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but
>>>> it doesn't matter as I couldn't load the codec if I did.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to
>>> view.
>>>
>>
>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded in
>> a bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so large
>> variety of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately,
>> yours is one that I can't read.
>
> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in both
> Win MP 10 and 11 for me.
>
>

That will be because your PC has that particular codec installed on it. Any
AVI viewer on that PC should be able to pick the codec up and correctly
display the video.

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:e$MUD1ofIHA.5180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> AVI is a "wrapper". (in a sense, something like zip, except its for AV
> apps).
>
> Who knows what the limits are, on what is, and what is not, allowed to be
> wrapped, however. I expect it's loosely defined in some spec somewhere.
> =)
>

It's a Microsoft system. 'AVI' stands for 'Audio Video Interleave' and was
so called because the same file contained the audio and video interleaved
together. Although this doesn't sound like anything spectacular today,
previously the audio was stored in a different file to the video which would
give the early hard drive mechanisms a thorough workout. Apple achieved
something similar with their own (but otherwise incompatible) .MOV format.
As you note .AVI can use just about any codec you care to dream up or even
just raw video (making it the video equivalent of a .WAV file).

Oddly, high definition has in some ways taken a leap backwards because many
editing systems store the HD video in .M2V files with the audio being held
in an accompanying .AVI file (.AVI doesn't have to have video or indeed
audio). HD Camcorders use the highly compressed .MTS* format which can also
carry surround sound in one of the recognised formats (usually Dolby Digital
5.1).

*Usually transcoded into the similar .M2TS format at the editing stage,
which Blu-ray players understand.

> Brian A. wrote:
>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one.RemoveThis@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures
>>>>>> of it
>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are each
>>>>>> approx 8 MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be at:
>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this
>>>>> PC,
>>>>> so I am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but it
>>>>> doesn't matter as I couldn't load the codec if I did.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to
>>>> view.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded
>>> in a
>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so large
>>> variety of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately,
>>> yours
>>> is one that I can't read.
>>
>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in both
>> Win
>> MP 10 and 11 for me.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>
>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>

M.I.5¾ wrote:
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:e$MUD1ofIHA.5180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> AVI is a "wrapper". (in a sense, something like zip, except its for AV
>> apps).
>>
>> Who knows what the limits are, on what is, and what is not, allowed to be
>> wrapped, however. I expect it's loosely defined in some spec somewhere.
>> =)
>>
>
> It's a Microsoft system. 'AVI' stands for 'Audio Video Interleave' and
> was
> so called because the same file contained the audio and video interleaved
> together. Although this doesn't sound like anything spectacular today,
> previously the audio was stored in a different file to the video which
> would
> give the early hard drive mechanisms a thorough workout.

This must have been quite awhile ago. Like back in the late 1980's -
early 1990's (just guessing).

One advantage of that is that it's easy to clean up the audio (audio
restoration), if needbe; and once you've done that, it's done, and no
remultiplexing of the audio track with the video is required. (Not much of
a practical advantage, though).

Back at that point in time, I think audio was only in the WAV format (can't
recall for certain though). I'm guessing the compressed formats for audio
(i.e. music) weren't around back then, but I can't recall for sure, now.
IIRC, they probably came in around the 1990's.

> Apple achieved
> something similar with their own (but otherwise incompatible) .MOV format.

And today we also have Microsoft's WMV format, which I think includes the
audio.

So let's summarize (correct me if I'm mistaken):
For audio and video together, we have .AVI, .MOV, and .WMV formats (for a
PC).

> As you note .AVI can use just about any codec you care to dream up or even
> just raw video (making it the video equivalent of a .WAV file).
>
> Oddly, high definition has in some ways taken a leap backwards because
> many
> editing systems store the HD video in .M2V files with the audio being held
> in an accompanying .AVI file (.AVI doesn't have to have video or indeed
> audio). HD Camcorders use the highly compressed .MTS* format which can
> also
> carry surround sound in one of the recognised formats (usually Dolby
> Digital
> 5.1).
>
> *Usually transcoded into the similar .M2TS format at the editing stage,
> which Blu-ray players understand.
>
>> Brian A. wrote:
>>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one RemoveThis @no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures
>>>>>>> of it
>>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are each
>>>>>>> approx 8 MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be at:
>>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this
>>>>>> PC,
>>>>>> so I am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but it
>>>>>> doesn't matter as I couldn't load the codec if I did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to
>>>>> view.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded
>>>> in a
>>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so large
>>>> variety of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately,
>>>> yours
>>>> is one that I can't read.
>>>
>>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in
>>> both
>>> Win
>>> MP 10 and 11 for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>>
>>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Ooops, left one out - the MPG format. Sorry about that, and corrected
below.

Bill in Co. wrote:
> M.I.5¾ wrote:
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:e$MUD1ofIHA.5180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> AVI is a "wrapper". (in a sense, something like zip, except its for AV
>>> apps).
>>>
>>> Who knows what the limits are, on what is, and what is not, allowed to
>>> be
>>> wrapped, however. I expect it's loosely defined in some spec
>>> somewhere.
>>> =)
>>>
>>
>> It's a Microsoft system. 'AVI' stands for 'Audio Video Interleave' and
>> was
>> so called because the same file contained the audio and video interleaved
>> together. Although this doesn't sound like anything spectacular today,
>> previously the audio was stored in a different file to the video which
>> would give the early hard drive mechanisms a thorough workout.
>
> This must have been quite awhile ago. Like back in the late 1980's -
> early 1990's (just guessing).
>
> One advantage of that is that it's easy to clean up the audio (audio
> restoration), if needbe; and once you've done that, it's done, and no
> remultiplexing of the audio track with the video is required. (Not much
> of
> a practical advantage, though).
>
> Back at that point in time, I think audio was only in the WAV format
> (can't
> recall for certain though). I'm guessing the compressed formats for
> audio
> (i.e. music) weren't around back then, but I can't recall for sure, now.
> IIRC, they probably came in around the 1990's.
>
>> Apple achieved
>> something similar with their own (but otherwise incompatible) .MOV
>> format.
>
> And today we also have Microsoft's WMV format, which I think includes the
> audio.
>
> So let's summarize (correct me if I'm mistaken):
> For audio and video together, we have .AVI, .MOV, MPG, and .WMV formats
> (for a PC).
>
>> As you note .AVI can use just about any codec you care to dream up or
>> even
>> just raw video (making it the video equivalent of a .WAV file).
>>
>> Oddly, high definition has in some ways taken a leap backwards because
>> many
>> editing systems store the HD video in .M2V files with the audio being
>> held
>> in an accompanying .AVI file (.AVI doesn't have to have video or indeed
>> audio). HD Camcorders use the highly compressed .MTS* format which can
>> also
>> carry surround sound in one of the recognised formats (usually Dolby
>> Digital
>> 5.1).
>>
>> *Usually transcoded into the similar .M2TS format at the editing stage,
>> which Blu-ray players understand.
>>
>>> Brian A. wrote:
>>>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one RemoveThis @no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures
>>>>>>>> of it
>>>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are
>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>> approx 8 MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be at:
>>>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this
>>>>>>> PC,
>>>>>>> so I am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but it
>>>>>>> doesn't matter as I couldn't load the codec if I did.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to
>>>>>> view.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded
>>>>> in a
>>>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so
>>>>> large
>>>>> variety of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately,
>>>>> yours
>>>>> is one that I can't read.
>>>>
>>>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in
>>>> both
>>>> Win
>>>> MP 10 and 11 for me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>>>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>>>
>>>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Ooops, left one out - the MPG format. Sorry about that, and corrected
below.

Bill in Co. wrote:
> M.I.5¾ wrote:
>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:e$MUD1ofIHA.5180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> AVI is a "wrapper". (in a sense, something like zip, except its for AV
>>> apps).
>>>
>>> Who knows what the limits are, on what is, and what is not, allowed to
>>> be
>>> wrapped, however. I expect it's loosely defined in some spec
>>> somewhere.
>>> =)
>>>
>>
>> It's a Microsoft system. 'AVI' stands for 'Audio Video Interleave' and
>> was
>> so called because the same file contained the audio and video interleaved
>> together. Although this doesn't sound like anything spectacular today,
>> previously the audio was stored in a different file to the video which
>> would give the early hard drive mechanisms a thorough workout.
>
> This must have been quite awhile ago. Like back in the late 1980's -
> early 1990's (just guessing).
>
> One advantage of that is that it's easy to clean up the audio (audio
> restoration), if needbe; and once you've done that, it's done, and no
> remultiplexing of the audio track with the video is required. (Not much
> of
> a practical advantage, though).
>
> Back at that point in time, I think audio was only in the WAV format
> (can't
> recall for certain though). I'm guessing the compressed formats for
> audio
> (i.e. music) weren't around back then, but I can't recall for sure, now.
> IIRC, they probably came in around the 1990's.
>
>> Apple achieved
>> something similar with their own (but otherwise incompatible) .MOV
>> format.
>
> And today we also have Microsoft's WMV format, which I think includes the
> audio.
>
> So let's summarize (correct me if I'm mistaken):
> For audio and video together, we have .AVI, .MOV, MPG, and .WMV formats
> (for a PC).
>
>> As you note .AVI can use just about any codec you care to dream up or
>> even
>> just raw video (making it the video equivalent of a .WAV file).
>>
>> Oddly, high definition has in some ways taken a leap backwards because
>> many
>> editing systems store the HD video in .M2V files with the audio being
>> held
>> in an accompanying .AVI file (.AVI doesn't have to have video or indeed
>> audio). HD Camcorders use the highly compressed .MTS* format which can
>> also
>> carry surround sound in one of the recognised formats (usually Dolby
>> Digital
>> 5.1).
>>
>> *Usually transcoded into the similar .M2TS format at the editing stage,
>> which Blu-ray players understand.
>>
>>> Brian A. wrote:
>>>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one RemoveThis @no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures
>>>>>>>> of it
>>>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are
>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>> approx 8 MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be at:
>>>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this
>>>>>>> PC,
>>>>>>> so I am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but it
>>>>>>> doesn't matter as I couldn't load the codec if I did.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to
>>>>>> view.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded
>>>>> in a
>>>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so
>>>>> large
>>>>> variety of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately,
>>>>> yours
>>>>> is one that I can't read.
>>>>
>>>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in
>>>> both
>>>> Win
>>>> MP 10 and 11 for me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>>>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>>>
>>>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

M.I.5¾ wrote:
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:e$MUD1ofIHA.5180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> AVI is a "wrapper". (in a sense, something like zip, except its for AV
>> apps).
>>
>> Who knows what the limits are, on what is, and what is not, allowed to be
>> wrapped, however. I expect it's loosely defined in some spec somewhere.
>> =)
>>
>
> It's a Microsoft system. 'AVI' stands for 'Audio Video Interleave' and
> was
> so called because the same file contained the audio and video interleaved
> together. Although this doesn't sound like anything spectacular today,
> previously the audio was stored in a different file to the video which
> would
> give the early hard drive mechanisms a thorough workout.

This must have been quite awhile ago. Like back in the late 1980's -
early 1990's (just guessing).

One advantage of that is that it's easy to clean up the audio (audio
restoration), if needbe; and once you've done that, it's done, and no
remultiplexing of the audio track with the video is required. (Not much of
a practical advantage, though).

Back at that point in time, I think audio was only in the WAV format (can't
recall for certain though). I'm guessing the compressed formats for audio
(i.e. music) weren't around back then, but I can't recall for sure, now.
IIRC, they probably came in around the 1990's.

> Apple achieved
> something similar with their own (but otherwise incompatible) .MOV format.

And today we also have Microsoft's WMV format, which I think includes the
audio.

So let's summarize (correct me if I'm mistaken):
For audio and video together, we have .AVI, .MOV, and .WMV formats (for a
PC).

> As you note .AVI can use just about any codec you care to dream up or even
> just raw video (making it the video equivalent of a .WAV file).
>
> Oddly, high definition has in some ways taken a leap backwards because
> many
> editing systems store the HD video in .M2V files with the audio being held
> in an accompanying .AVI file (.AVI doesn't have to have video or indeed
> audio). HD Camcorders use the highly compressed .MTS* format which can
> also
> carry surround sound in one of the recognised formats (usually Dolby
> Digital
> 5.1).
>
> *Usually transcoded into the similar .M2TS format at the editing stage,
> which Blu-ray players understand.
>
>> Brian A. wrote:
>>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one DeleteThis @no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures
>>>>>>> of it
>>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are each
>>>>>>> approx 8 MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be at:
>>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this
>>>>>> PC,
>>>>>> so I am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but it
>>>>>> doesn't matter as I couldn't load the codec if I did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to
>>>>> view.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded
>>>> in a
>>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so large
>>>> variety of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately,
>>>> yours
>>>> is one that I can't read.
>>>
>>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in
>>> both
>>> Win
>>> MP 10 and 11 for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>>
>>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:e$MUD1ofIHA.5180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> AVI is a "wrapper". (in a sense, something like zip, except its for AV
> apps).
>
> Who knows what the limits are, on what is, and what is not, allowed to be
> wrapped, however. I expect it's loosely defined in some spec somewhere.
> =)
>

It's a Microsoft system. 'AVI' stands for 'Audio Video Interleave' and was
so called because the same file contained the audio and video interleaved
together. Although this doesn't sound like anything spectacular today,
previously the audio was stored in a different file to the video which would
give the early hard drive mechanisms a thorough workout. Apple achieved
something similar with their own (but otherwise incompatible) .MOV format.
As you note .AVI can use just about any codec you care to dream up or even
just raw video (making it the video equivalent of a .WAV file).

Oddly, high definition has in some ways taken a leap backwards because many
editing systems store the HD video in .M2V files with the audio being held
in an accompanying .AVI file (.AVI doesn't have to have video or indeed
audio). HD Camcorders use the highly compressed .MTS* format which can also
carry surround sound in one of the recognised formats (usually Dolby Digital
5.1).

*Usually transcoded into the similar .M2TS format at the editing stage,
which Blu-ray players understand.

> Brian A. wrote:
>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one.DeleteThis@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures
>>>>>> of it
>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are each
>>>>>> approx 8 MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be at:
>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this
>>>>> PC,
>>>>> so I am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but it
>>>>> doesn't matter as I couldn't load the codec if I did.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to
>>>> view.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded
>>> in a
>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so large
>>> variety of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately,
>>> yours
>>> is one that I can't read.
>>
>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in both
>> Win
>> MP 10 and 11 for me.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>
>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>

"M.I.5¾" <no.one RemoveThis @no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
news:47ce4e7b$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:eievetofIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one RemoveThis @no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures of it
>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are each approx 8
>>>>>> MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be at:
>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this PC, so I
>>>>> am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but it doesn't matter
>>>>> as I couldn't load the codec if I did.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to view.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded in a
>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so large variety
>>> of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately, yours is one that I
>>> can't read.
>>
>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in both Win MP
>> 10 and 11 for me.
>>
>>
>
> That will be because your PC has that particular codec installed on it. Any AVI
> viewer on that PC should be able to pick the codec up and correctly display the
> video.
>
>

I see that now after checking on other machines with different software. Had I
left them alone at the larger .wmv perhaps they would have been viewable, but they
were to large to justify keeping them. Oh well, I'll just dump that page and leave
well enough alone unless I can find a way to change them so they are viewable and
smaller in size.


--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

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>
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:eievetofIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one.RemoveThis@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures of it
>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are each approx 8
>>>>>> MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be at:
>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this PC, so I
>>>>> am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but it doesn't matter
>>>>> as I couldn't load the codec if I did.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to view.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded in a
>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so large variety
>>> of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately, yours is one that I
>>> can't read.
>>
>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in both Win MP
>> 10 and 11 for me.
>>
>>
>
> That will be because your PC has that particular codec installed on it. Any AVI
> viewer on that PC should be able to pick the codec up and correctly display the
> video.
>
>

I see that now after checking on other machines with different software. Had I
left them alone at the larger .wmv perhaps they would have been viewable, but they
were to large to justify keeping them. Oh well, I'll just dump that page and leave
well enough alone unless I can find a way to change them so they are viewable and
smaller in size.


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"M.I.5¾" <no.one.RemoveThis@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:eievetofIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one.RemoveThis@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures of it
>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are each approx 8
>>>>>> MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be at:
>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this PC, so I
>>>>> am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but it doesn't matter
>>>>> as I couldn't load the codec if I did.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to view.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded in a
>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so large variety
>>> of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately, yours is one that I
>>> can't read.
>>
>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in both Win MP
>> 10 and 11 for me.
>>
>>
>
> That will be because your PC has that particular codec installed on it. Any AVI
> viewer on that PC should be able to pick the codec up and correctly display the
> video.
>
>

Ok, I've added a 3.5 MB file showing the move from the QL area. It works in WMP on
other machines without the same software so codecs shouldn't be an issue but quality
may be.

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http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

"M.I.5¾" <no.one.TakeThisOut@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
news:47ce4e7b$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:eievetofIHA.5296@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one.TakeThisOut@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video captures of it
>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are each approx 8
>>>>>> MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be at:
>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by this PC, so I
>>>>> am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but it doesn't matter
>>>>> as I couldn't load the codec if I did.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone to view.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be encoded in a
>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so large variety
>>> of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately, yours is one that I
>>> can't read.
>>
>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in both Win MP
>> 10 and 11 for me.
>>
>>
>
> That will be because your PC has that particular codec installed on it. Any AVI
> viewer on that PC should be able to pick the codec up and correctly display the
> video.
>
>

Ok, I've added a 3.5 MB file showing the move from the QL area. It works in WMP on
other machines without the same software so codecs shouldn't be an issue but quality
may be.

--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Should have included the link although it's the same as before, so here it is:
http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm

--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Should have included the link although it's the same as before, so here it is:
http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm

--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:em9JOVqfIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Ooops, left one out - the MPG format. Sorry about that, and corrected
> below.
>

There are quite a few other fomats as well, but these tend to turn up in
more specialised applications.

> Bill in Co. wrote:
>> M.I.5¾ wrote:
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e$MUD1ofIHA.5180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> AVI is a "wrapper". (in a sense, something like zip, except its for
>>>> AV
>>>> apps).
>>>>
>>>> Who knows what the limits are, on what is, and what is not, allowed to
>>>> be
>>>> wrapped, however. I expect it's loosely defined in some spec
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> =)
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's a Microsoft system. 'AVI' stands for 'Audio Video Interleave' and
>>> was
>>> so called because the same file contained the audio and video
>>> interleaved
>>> together. Although this doesn't sound like anything spectacular today,
>>> previously the audio was stored in a different file to the video which
>>> would give the early hard drive mechanisms a thorough workout.
>>
>> This must have been quite awhile ago. Like back in the late 1980's -
>> early 1990's (just guessing).
>>
>> One advantage of that is that it's easy to clean up the audio (audio
>> restoration), if needbe; and once you've done that, it's done, and no
>> remultiplexing of the audio track with the video is required. (Not much
>> of
>> a practical advantage, though).
>>
>> Back at that point in time, I think audio was only in the WAV format
>> (can't
>> recall for certain though). I'm guessing the compressed formats for
>> audio
>> (i.e. music) weren't around back then, but I can't recall for sure, now.
>> IIRC, they probably came in around the 1990's.
>>
>>> Apple achieved
>>> something similar with their own (but otherwise incompatible) .MOV
>>> format.
>>
>> And today we also have Microsoft's WMV format, which I think includes the
>> audio.
>>
>> So let's summarize (correct me if I'm mistaken):
>> For audio and video together, we have .AVI, .MOV, MPG, and .WMV formats
>> (for a PC).
>>
>>> As you note .AVI can use just about any codec you care to dream up or
>>> even
>>> just raw video (making it the video equivalent of a .WAV file).
>>>
>>> Oddly, high definition has in some ways taken a leap backwards because
>>> many
>>> editing systems store the HD video in .M2V files with the audio being
>>> held
>>> in an accompanying .AVI file (.AVI doesn't have to have video or indeed
>>> audio). HD Camcorders use the highly compressed .MTS* format which can
>>> also
>>> carry surround sound in one of the recognised formats (usually Dolby
>>> Digital
>>> 5.1).
>>>
>>> *Usually transcoded into the similar .M2TS format at the editing stage,
>>> which Blu-ray players understand.
>>>
>>>> Brian A. wrote:
>>>>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one.RemoveThis@no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video
>>>>>>>>> captures
>>>>>>>>> of it
>>>>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are
>>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>> approx 8 MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be
>>>>>>>>> at:
>>>>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> PC,
>>>>>>>> so I am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> doesn't matter as I couldn't load the codec if I did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> view.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be
>>>>>> encoded
>>>>>> in a
>>>>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so
>>>>>> large
>>>>>> variety of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately,
>>>>>> yours
>>>>>> is one that I can't read.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in
>>>>> both
>>>>> Win
>>>>> MP 10 and 11 for me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>>>>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>>>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:em9JOVqfIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Ooops, left one out - the MPG format. Sorry about that, and corrected
> below.
>

There are quite a few other fomats as well, but these tend to turn up in
more specialised applications.

> Bill in Co. wrote:
>> M.I.5¾ wrote:
>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e$MUD1ofIHA.5180@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> AVI is a "wrapper". (in a sense, something like zip, except its for
>>>> AV
>>>> apps).
>>>>
>>>> Who knows what the limits are, on what is, and what is not, allowed to
>>>> be
>>>> wrapped, however. I expect it's loosely defined in some spec
>>>> somewhere.
>>>> =)
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's a Microsoft system. 'AVI' stands for 'Audio Video Interleave' and
>>> was
>>> so called because the same file contained the audio and video
>>> interleaved
>>> together. Although this doesn't sound like anything spectacular today,
>>> previously the audio was stored in a different file to the video which
>>> would give the early hard drive mechanisms a thorough workout.
>>
>> This must have been quite awhile ago. Like back in the late 1980's -
>> early 1990's (just guessing).
>>
>> One advantage of that is that it's easy to clean up the audio (audio
>> restoration), if needbe; and once you've done that, it's done, and no
>> remultiplexing of the audio track with the video is required. (Not much
>> of
>> a practical advantage, though).
>>
>> Back at that point in time, I think audio was only in the WAV format
>> (can't
>> recall for certain though). I'm guessing the compressed formats for
>> audio
>> (i.e. music) weren't around back then, but I can't recall for sure, now.
>> IIRC, they probably came in around the 1990's.
>>
>>> Apple achieved
>>> something similar with their own (but otherwise incompatible) .MOV
>>> format.
>>
>> And today we also have Microsoft's WMV format, which I think includes the
>> audio.
>>
>> So let's summarize (correct me if I'm mistaken):
>> For audio and video together, we have .AVI, .MOV, MPG, and .WMV formats
>> (for a PC).
>>
>>> As you note .AVI can use just about any codec you care to dream up or
>>> even
>>> just raw video (making it the video equivalent of a .WAV file).
>>>
>>> Oddly, high definition has in some ways taken a leap backwards because
>>> many
>>> editing systems store the HD video in .M2V files with the audio being
>>> held
>>> in an accompanying .AVI file (.AVI doesn't have to have video or indeed
>>> audio). HD Camcorders use the highly compressed .MTS* format which can
>>> also
>>> carry surround sound in one of the recognised formats (usually Dolby
>>> Digital
>>> 5.1).
>>>
>>> *Usually transcoded into the similar .M2TS format at the editing stage,
>>> which Blu-ray players understand.
>>>
>>>> Brian A. wrote:
>>>>> "M.I.5¾" <no.one RemoveThis @no.where.NO_SPAM.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:47cd0479$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To show you that it can be done I have created some video
>>>>>>>>> captures
>>>>>>>>> of it
>>>>>>>>> being done, I will place them on one of my web pages. They are
>>>>>>>>> each
>>>>>>>>> approx 8 MB and once I get them uploaded a link to them will be
>>>>>>>>> at:
>>>>>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/testpgs/tpg4.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They appear to be encoded with a codec that is not supported by
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> PC,
>>>>>>>> so I am unable to view them. I don't know what the codec is, but
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> doesn't matter as I couldn't load the codec if I did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There standard .avi files which shouldn't be a problem for anyone
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> view.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no such thing as a 'standard' .avi file. They can be
>>>>>> encoded
>>>>>> in a
>>>>>> bewildering variety of codecs. I can view .avi files in a not so
>>>>>> large
>>>>>> variety of formats, but like any PC, not all of them. Unfortunately,
>>>>>> yours
>>>>>> is one that I can't read.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your correct, I was thinking something different, the files open in
>>>>> both
>>>>> Win
>>>>> MP 10 and 11 for me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>>>>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>>>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>>>>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>