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NoStop
Joined: 26 May 2007
Posts: 20
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 Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
Maya wrote:
> The reason I'm trying to shrink space and create a partition is
> because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
> planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
> that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
> installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
> partitioning methods or shrink and partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
> not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>
> Thanks a lot for your help
>
I use Ubuntu, not Fedora, but I'd imagine the routine is the same. I'd
recommend letting the Fedora install routine shrink and use available space
it creates. I doubt that it will defrag your existing ntfs drive. You
should do that in Windoze prior to installing Fedora. I thought that Vista
automatically did a defrag in the background as you ran it? So it might be
a non-issue.
Cheers.
--
An HONEST Vista Ad:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bzt4wDiVY9E
The Rolling Stones Love Vista:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-kql8cWqiv8
Frank - seek help immediately! Visit ...
http://www.binsa.org/
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:11 pm |
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NoStop
Joined: 26 May 2007
Posts: 20
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Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
Maya wrote:
> The reason I'm trying to shrink space and create a partition is
> because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
> planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
> that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
> installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
> partitioning methods or shrink and partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
> not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>
> Thanks a lot for your help
>
I use Ubuntu, not Fedora, but I'd imagine the routine is the same. I'd
recommend letting the Fedora install routine shrink and use available space
it creates. I doubt that it will defrag your existing ntfs drive. You
should do that in Windoze prior to installing Fedora. I thought that Vista
automatically did a defrag in the background as you ran it? So it might be
a non-issue.
Cheers.
--
An HONEST Vista Ad:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bzt4wDiVY9E
The Rolling Stones Love Vista:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-kql8cWqiv8
Frank - seek help immediately! Visit ...
http://www.binsa.org/
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:11 pm |
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the wharf rat
Joined: 08 Aug 2007
Posts: 263
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Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
In article <R0qjj.78995$EA5.31562@pd7urf2no>,
NoStop <nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:
>> installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
>> partitioning methods or shrink and partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
>> not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>>
>I use Ubuntu, not Fedora, but I'd imagine the routine is the same. I'd
>recommend letting the Fedora install routine shrink and use available space
>it creates. I doubt that it will defrag your existing ntfs drive. You
Linux questions on a Vista newgroup??? =)
Well, ok... Best way to add linux to an existing windows is
0. BACK UP YOUR DATA
1. Defrag under windows
2. Boot Knoppix (single cd linux distribution)
3. Run parted or gparted
Here's something that looks interesting but I havent' tried it:
http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:21 pm |
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the wharf rat
Joined: 08 Aug 2007
Posts: 263
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Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
In article <R0qjj.78995$EA5.31562@pd7urf2no>,
NoStop <nospam DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
>> installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
>> partitioning methods or shrink and partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
>> not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>>
>I use Ubuntu, not Fedora, but I'd imagine the routine is the same. I'd
>recommend letting the Fedora install routine shrink and use available space
>it creates. I doubt that it will defrag your existing ntfs drive. You
Linux questions on a Vista newgroup??? =)
Well, ok... Best way to add linux to an existing windows is
0. BACK UP YOUR DATA
1. Defrag under windows
2. Boot Knoppix (single cd linux distribution)
3. Run parted or gparted
Here's something that looks interesting but I havent' tried it:
http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:21 pm |
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the wharf rat
Joined: 08 Aug 2007
Posts: 263
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Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
In article <06473d09-9713-4d07-a291-7582a816fd3f DeleteThis @v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Maya <mariya.nagorna DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The link is to gparted liveCD - it's the same gparted that will be run
>during Fedora installation though - right?
All those things run exactly the same software. The difference
is how and when it's presented. IMHO it's less confusing to get a nice
simple interface. make your changes, then start an install then it is to
deal with it as part of the larger task. Also, it's easier to recover
if you check your work before proceeding. Did I ever tell you about the
time I overlapped the swap partition with /usr, and the system would
run fine until it got busy and started swapping? (You can't do that
any more but it's still less confusing to carefully repartition THEN
deal with installing a new OS... IMHO)
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:30 pm |
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the wharf rat
Joined: 08 Aug 2007
Posts: 263
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Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
In article <06473d09-9713-4d07-a291-7582a816fd3f DeleteThis @v4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Maya <mariya.nagorna DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>The link is to gparted liveCD - it's the same gparted that will be run
>during Fedora installation though - right?
All those things run exactly the same software. The difference
is how and when it's presented. IMHO it's less confusing to get a nice
simple interface. make your changes, then start an install then it is to
deal with it as part of the larger task. Also, it's easier to recover
if you check your work before proceeding. Did I ever tell you about the
time I overlapped the swap partition with /usr, and the system would
run fine until it got busy and started swapping? (You can't do that
any more but it's still less confusing to carefully repartition THEN
deal with installing a new OS... IMHO)
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:30 pm |
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the wharf rat
Joined: 08 Aug 2007
Posts: 263
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Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
In article <d50fd9de-ed53-4592-a56f-c38ab6e2fd18.RemoveThis@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Maya <mariya.nagorna.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>in this situation since the Vista partitioner seems to not give me any
>space to shrink, for some reason.
>
Boo on the vista partitioner! Linux! Linux! Linux!
=) Really though, these kind of low level system tasks are where
linux shines, fire up knoppix or whatever and see what it says.
Aside: Remember Larry Wall makefiles? "Congratulations. You're not
running Eunice" ? Lol. Maybe gparted should make snide remarks about
vista, haha =)
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:55 pm |
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John Smith
Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 30
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Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
Hello Maya, I took a look at GPARTED live cd that is a linux basically...
and it does support SHRINK indeed.. so you can shrink the first NTFS volume,
thus leaving space for FERDORA,
Im not sure about Ferdora, since it has been a long time since I have used
that distro,
but other linux distros have GPARTED inside the INSTALLER of the Linux!
In other words GPARTED is a part of the linux you will be installing, so you
can indeed resize and make room for linux.. HOWEVER I strongly suggest that
you backup all important data from vista before you do this..
anything can go wrong, and its better to be safe than sorry!
"Maya" <mariya.nagorna.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:859e1d74-ca4a-438b-a2ba-d7eb3d2c9ea0@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> The reason I'm trying to shrink space and create a partition is
> because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
> planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
> that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
> installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
> partitioning methods or shrink and partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
> not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>
> Thanks a lot for your help
>
> On Jan 15, 9:09 pm, "John Smith" <j....TakeThisOut@smith.com> wrote:
>> so lets see....
>>
>> 1) vista has a defrag that doesnt work well (basically its SH!T) they
>> removed all visual feedback, whoever did this should burn in hell for
>> eternity.
>>
>> 2) and it also has a partition manager that cant resize the partitions
>> well
>> enough...
>>
>> GEE WHIZZZ, VISTA SUCKS!
>>
>> "Rick Rogers" <r....TakeThisOut@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>
>> news:uii9ZI%23VIHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> > Hi,
>>
>> > You may need to use a third party defrag program to move files that
>> > Vista's defrag routine cannot. If they are locked at the end of the
>> > volume, you won't be able toshrinkit until they are moved.
>>
>> > --
>> > Best of Luck,
>>
>> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> > Windows help -www.rickrogers.org
>> > My thoughtshttp://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>
>> > "Maya" <mariya.nago....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-d8ff7222dce2@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> >> Hi,
>>
>> >> I am trying toshrinkspaceon my C: partition using the Vista Disk
>> >> Management program. I have 54.15GB of freespace; however when trying
>> >> toshrinkthe C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
>> >>shrinkspace. I have done the following:
>> >> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
>> >> - disabled system restore
>> >> - cleaned up restore points
>> >> - defragmented the disk
>>
>> >> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
>> >> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it only
>> >> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).
>>
>> >> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> >> Thanks.
>
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:55 pm |
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John Smith
Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 30
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Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
Hello Maya, I took a look at GPARTED live cd that is a linux basically...
and it does support SHRINK indeed.. so you can shrink the first NTFS volume,
thus leaving space for FERDORA,
Im not sure about Ferdora, since it has been a long time since I have used
that distro,
but other linux distros have GPARTED inside the INSTALLER of the Linux!
In other words GPARTED is a part of the linux you will be installing, so you
can indeed resize and make room for linux.. HOWEVER I strongly suggest that
you backup all important data from vista before you do this..
anything can go wrong, and its better to be safe than sorry!
"Maya" <mariya.nagorna.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:859e1d74-ca4a-438b-a2ba-d7eb3d2c9ea0@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> The reason I'm trying to shrink space and create a partition is
> because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
> planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
> that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
> installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
> partitioning methods or shrink and partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
> not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>
> Thanks a lot for your help
>
> On Jan 15, 9:09 pm, "John Smith" <j....RemoveThis@smith.com> wrote:
>> so lets see....
>>
>> 1) vista has a defrag that doesnt work well (basically its SH!T) they
>> removed all visual feedback, whoever did this should burn in hell for
>> eternity.
>>
>> 2) and it also has a partition manager that cant resize the partitions
>> well
>> enough...
>>
>> GEE WHIZZZ, VISTA SUCKS!
>>
>> "Rick Rogers" <r....RemoveThis@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>
>> news:uii9ZI%23VIHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> > Hi,
>>
>> > You may need to use a third party defrag program to move files that
>> > Vista's defrag routine cannot. If they are locked at the end of the
>> > volume, you won't be able toshrinkit until they are moved.
>>
>> > --
>> > Best of Luck,
>>
>> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> > Windows help -www.rickrogers.org
>> > My thoughtshttp://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>
>> > "Maya" <mariya.nago....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-d8ff7222dce2@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> >> Hi,
>>
>> >> I am trying toshrinkspaceon my C: partition using the Vista Disk
>> >> Management program. I have 54.15GB of freespace; however when trying
>> >> toshrinkthe C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
>> >>shrinkspace. I have done the following:
>> >> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
>> >> - disabled system restore
>> >> - cleaned up restore points
>> >> - defragmented the disk
>>
>> >> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
>> >> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it only
>> >> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).
>>
>> >> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> >> Thanks.
>
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:55 pm |
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the wharf rat
Joined: 08 Aug 2007
Posts: 263
|
Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
In article <d50fd9de-ed53-4592-a56f-c38ab6e2fd18.TakeThisOut@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Maya <mariya.nagorna.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>in this situation since the Vista partitioner seems to not give me any
>space to shrink, for some reason.
>
Boo on the vista partitioner! Linux! Linux! Linux!
=) Really though, these kind of low level system tasks are where
linux shines, fire up knoppix or whatever and see what it says.
Aside: Remember Larry Wall makefiles? "Congratulations. You're not
running Eunice" ? Lol. Maybe gparted should make snide remarks about
vista, haha =)
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:55 pm |
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John Smith
Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 30
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Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
ok your questions would need several pages to be answered fully.. but let me
try to explain a few things..
when a paritioning program resizes a volume, what it does is it copies data
from the area of the disk that is to be emptied to the rest of the disk, to
make room. The MS defrag and other free defrag programs (I know a few) do
not really move the files in the begining of the drive to have them all nice
and tidy, instead they do "partial" defragmentation wich is quicker, BUT it
does not move data out of the way for vista to be able to resize the
partition.
Just to satisfy your curiosity here are the 2 free defraggers :
http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defrag and
http://www.defraggler.com/
but as I said, these 2 do not move the data in the start of the drive like
you want.
A good defrag program I have tested is RAXCO PERFECT DISK not free though.
I suggest that you make sure all important data is backed up, and use the
shrinking option in the FERDORA installtion
cd, to shrink your current partition and make room for linux...
You can also do that before hand with GPARTED live cd.
"Maya" <mariya.nagorna.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:33ddd727-cfad-4bd8-ba7d-c2505d110866@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com...
> What about defragmentation - I used vista to defrag BEFORE I cleaned
> up the restore points. Would you recommend defragmenting now as well
> using vista's defragmentation program or obtain 3rd party defrag
> program (if you know any for free, that would be great).
>
> When I run vista's defrag, it tells me that "Your file system
> performance is good. You do not need to defragment at this time". (but
> I CAN defrag) So I thought that after cleaning up the restore points,
> I didn't need to defrag. However, not being able to have a visual
> representation of the disk (XP has one, I think, 'cause I remember I
> did a defrag before and I could see where memory was used up on the
> disk before and after defrag) is really unfortunate because I don't
> know where and what memory is used up.
>
> I'm pretty sure that FEDORA uses GPARTED to partition the disk. Are
> there any risks to partitioning during installation rather than before
> installation?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Jan 16, 10:55 am, "John Smith" <j....DeleteThis@smith.com> wrote:
>> Hello Maya, I took a look at GPARTED live cd that is a linux basically...
>> and it does supportSHRINKindeed.. so you canshrinkthe first NTFS volume,
>> thus leavingspacefor FERDORA,
>>
>> Im not sure about Ferdora, since it has been a long time since I have
>> used
>> that distro,
>> but other linux distros have GPARTED inside the INSTALLER of the Linux!
>>
>> In other words GPARTED is a part of the linux you will be installing, so
>> you
>> can indeed resize and make room for linux.. HOWEVER I strongly suggest
>> that
>> you backup all important data from vista before you do this..
>>
>> anything can go wrong, and its better to be safe than sorry!
>>
>> "Maya" <mariya.nago....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:859e1d74-ca4a-438b-a2ba-d7eb3d2c9ea0@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > The reason I'm trying toshrinkspaceand create a partition is
>> > because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
>> > planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
>> > that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
>> > installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
>> > partitioning methods orshrinkand partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
>> > not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>>
>> > Thanks a lot for your help
>>
>> > On Jan 15, 9:09 pm, "John Smith" <j....DeleteThis@smith.com> wrote:
>> >> so lets see....
>>
>> >> 1) vista has a defrag that doesnt work well (basically its SH!T) they
>> >> removed all visual feedback, whoever did this should burn in hell for
>> >> eternity.
>>
>> >> 2) and it also has a partition manager that cant resize the partitions
>> >> well
>> >> enough...
>>
>> >> GEE WHIZZZ, VISTA SUCKS!
>>
>> >> "Rick Rogers" <r....DeleteThis@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:uii9ZI%23VIHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> >> > Hi,
>>
>> >> > You may need to use a third party defrag program to move files that
>> >> > Vista's defrag routine cannot. If they are locked at the end of the
>> >> > volume, you won't be able toshrinkit until they are moved.
>>
>> >> > --
>> >> > Best of Luck,
>>
>> >> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> >> >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> >> > Windows help -www.rickrogers.org
>> >> > My thoughtshttp://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>
>> >> > "Maya" <mariya.nago....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-d8ff7222dce2@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> Hi,
>>
>> >> >> I am trying toshrinkspaceon my C: partition using the Vista Disk
>> >> >> Management program. I have 54.15GB of freespace; however when
>> >> >> trying
>> >> >> toshrinkthe C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
>> >> >>shrinkspace. I have done the following:
>> >> >> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
>> >> >> - disabled system restore
>> >> >> - cleaned up restore points
>> >> >> - defragmented the disk
>>
>> >> >> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
>> >> >> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it
>> >> >> only
>> >> >> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).
>>
>> >> >> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> >> >> Thanks.
>
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:43 pm |
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John Smith
Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 30
|
Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
ok your questions would need several pages to be answered fully.. but let me
try to explain a few things..
when a paritioning program resizes a volume, what it does is it copies data
from the area of the disk that is to be emptied to the rest of the disk, to
make room. The MS defrag and other free defrag programs (I know a few) do
not really move the files in the begining of the drive to have them all nice
and tidy, instead they do "partial" defragmentation wich is quicker, BUT it
does not move data out of the way for vista to be able to resize the
partition.
Just to satisfy your curiosity here are the 2 free defraggers :
http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defrag and
http://www.defraggler.com/
but as I said, these 2 do not move the data in the start of the drive like
you want.
A good defrag program I have tested is RAXCO PERFECT DISK not free though.
I suggest that you make sure all important data is backed up, and use the
shrinking option in the FERDORA installtion
cd, to shrink your current partition and make room for linux...
You can also do that before hand with GPARTED live cd.
"Maya" <mariya.nagorna.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:33ddd727-cfad-4bd8-ba7d-c2505d110866@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com...
> What about defragmentation - I used vista to defrag BEFORE I cleaned
> up the restore points. Would you recommend defragmenting now as well
> using vista's defragmentation program or obtain 3rd party defrag
> program (if you know any for free, that would be great).
>
> When I run vista's defrag, it tells me that "Your file system
> performance is good. You do not need to defragment at this time". (but
> I CAN defrag) So I thought that after cleaning up the restore points,
> I didn't need to defrag. However, not being able to have a visual
> representation of the disk (XP has one, I think, 'cause I remember I
> did a defrag before and I could see where memory was used up on the
> disk before and after defrag) is really unfortunate because I don't
> know where and what memory is used up.
>
> I'm pretty sure that FEDORA uses GPARTED to partition the disk. Are
> there any risks to partitioning during installation rather than before
> installation?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Jan 16, 10:55 am, "John Smith" <j....TakeThisOut@smith.com> wrote:
>> Hello Maya, I took a look at GPARTED live cd that is a linux basically...
>> and it does supportSHRINKindeed.. so you canshrinkthe first NTFS volume,
>> thus leavingspacefor FERDORA,
>>
>> Im not sure about Ferdora, since it has been a long time since I have
>> used
>> that distro,
>> but other linux distros have GPARTED inside the INSTALLER of the Linux!
>>
>> In other words GPARTED is a part of the linux you will be installing, so
>> you
>> can indeed resize and make room for linux.. HOWEVER I strongly suggest
>> that
>> you backup all important data from vista before you do this..
>>
>> anything can go wrong, and its better to be safe than sorry!
>>
>> "Maya" <mariya.nago....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:859e1d74-ca4a-438b-a2ba-d7eb3d2c9ea0@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > The reason I'm trying toshrinkspaceand create a partition is
>> > because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
>> > planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
>> > that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
>> > installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
>> > partitioning methods orshrinkand partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
>> > not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>>
>> > Thanks a lot for your help
>>
>> > On Jan 15, 9:09 pm, "John Smith" <j....TakeThisOut@smith.com> wrote:
>> >> so lets see....
>>
>> >> 1) vista has a defrag that doesnt work well (basically its SH!T) they
>> >> removed all visual feedback, whoever did this should burn in hell for
>> >> eternity.
>>
>> >> 2) and it also has a partition manager that cant resize the partitions
>> >> well
>> >> enough...
>>
>> >> GEE WHIZZZ, VISTA SUCKS!
>>
>> >> "Rick Rogers" <r....TakeThisOut@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:uii9ZI%23VIHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> >> > Hi,
>>
>> >> > You may need to use a third party defrag program to move files that
>> >> > Vista's defrag routine cannot. If they are locked at the end of the
>> >> > volume, you won't be able toshrinkit until they are moved.
>>
>> >> > --
>> >> > Best of Luck,
>>
>> >> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> >> >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> >> > Windows help -www.rickrogers.org
>> >> > My thoughtshttp://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>
>> >> > "Maya" <mariya.nago....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-d8ff7222dce2@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> Hi,
>>
>> >> >> I am trying toshrinkspaceon my C: partition using the Vista Disk
>> >> >> Management program. I have 54.15GB of freespace; however when
>> >> >> trying
>> >> >> toshrinkthe C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
>> >> >>shrinkspace. I have done the following:
>> >> >> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
>> >> >> - disabled system restore
>> >> >> - cleaned up restore points
>> >> >> - defragmented the disk
>>
>> >> >> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
>> >> >> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it
>> >> >> only
>> >> >> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).
>>
>> >> >> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> >> >> Thanks.
>
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:43 pm |
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John Smith
Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 30
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Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
Oh I just remembered something else that may interest you
This is for UBUNTU but I have tried it and it works well.
http://wubi-installer.org/
Wubi is Safe
It does not require you to modify the partitions of your PC, or to use a
different bootloader.
"Maya" <mariya.nagorna DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:33ddd727-cfad-4bd8-ba7d-c2505d110866@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com...
> What about defragmentation - I used vista to defrag BEFORE I cleaned
> up the restore points. Would you recommend defragmenting now as well
> using vista's defragmentation program or obtain 3rd party defrag
> program (if you know any for free, that would be great).
>
> When I run vista's defrag, it tells me that "Your file system
> performance is good. You do not need to defragment at this time". (but
> I CAN defrag) So I thought that after cleaning up the restore points,
> I didn't need to defrag. However, not being able to have a visual
> representation of the disk (XP has one, I think, 'cause I remember I
> did a defrag before and I could see where memory was used up on the
> disk before and after defrag) is really unfortunate because I don't
> know where and what memory is used up.
>
> I'm pretty sure that FEDORA uses GPARTED to partition the disk. Are
> there any risks to partitioning during installation rather than before
> installation?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Jan 16, 10:55 am, "John Smith" <j... DeleteThis @smith.com> wrote:
>> Hello Maya, I took a look at GPARTED live cd that is a linux basically...
>> and it does supportSHRINKindeed.. so you canshrinkthe first NTFS volume,
>> thus leavingspacefor FERDORA,
>>
>> Im not sure about Ferdora, since it has been a long time since I have
>> used
>> that distro,
>> but other linux distros have GPARTED inside the INSTALLER of the Linux!
>>
>> In other words GPARTED is a part of the linux you will be installing, so
>> you
>> can indeed resize and make room for linux.. HOWEVER I strongly suggest
>> that
>> you backup all important data from vista before you do this..
>>
>> anything can go wrong, and its better to be safe than sorry!
>>
>> "Maya" <mariya.nago... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:859e1d74-ca4a-438b-a2ba-d7eb3d2c9ea0@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > The reason I'm trying toshrinkspaceand create a partition is
>> > because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
>> > planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
>> > that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
>> > installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
>> > partitioning methods orshrinkand partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
>> > not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>>
>> > Thanks a lot for your help
>>
>> > On Jan 15, 9:09 pm, "John Smith" <j... DeleteThis @smith.com> wrote:
>> >> so lets see....
>>
>> >> 1) vista has a defrag that doesnt work well (basically its SH!T) they
>> >> removed all visual feedback, whoever did this should burn in hell for
>> >> eternity.
>>
>> >> 2) and it also has a partition manager that cant resize the partitions
>> >> well
>> >> enough...
>>
>> >> GEE WHIZZZ, VISTA SUCKS!
>>
>> >> "Rick Rogers" <r... DeleteThis @mvps.org> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:uii9ZI%23VIHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> >> > Hi,
>>
>> >> > You may need to use a third party defrag program to move files that
>> >> > Vista's defrag routine cannot. If they are locked at the end of the
>> >> > volume, you won't be able toshrinkit until they are moved.
>>
>> >> > --
>> >> > Best of Luck,
>>
>> >> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> >> >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> >> > Windows help -www.rickrogers.org
>> >> > My thoughtshttp://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>
>> >> > "Maya" <mariya.nago... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-d8ff7222dce2@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> Hi,
>>
>> >> >> I am trying toshrinkspaceon my C: partition using the Vista Disk
>> >> >> Management program. I have 54.15GB of freespace; however when
>> >> >> trying
>> >> >> toshrinkthe C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
>> >> >>shrinkspace. I have done the following:
>> >> >> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
>> >> >> - disabled system restore
>> >> >> - cleaned up restore points
>> >> >> - defragmented the disk
>>
>> >> >> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
>> >> >> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it
>> >> >> only
>> >> >> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).
>>
>> >> >> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> >> >> Thanks.
>
|
| Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:46 pm |
|
|
John Smith
Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 30
|
Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
Oh I just remembered something else that may interest you
This is for UBUNTU but I have tried it and it works well.
http://wubi-installer.org/
Wubi is Safe
It does not require you to modify the partitions of your PC, or to use a
different bootloader.
"Maya" <mariya.nagorna.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:33ddd727-cfad-4bd8-ba7d-c2505d110866@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com...
> What about defragmentation - I used vista to defrag BEFORE I cleaned
> up the restore points. Would you recommend defragmenting now as well
> using vista's defragmentation program or obtain 3rd party defrag
> program (if you know any for free, that would be great).
>
> When I run vista's defrag, it tells me that "Your file system
> performance is good. You do not need to defragment at this time". (but
> I CAN defrag) So I thought that after cleaning up the restore points,
> I didn't need to defrag. However, not being able to have a visual
> representation of the disk (XP has one, I think, 'cause I remember I
> did a defrag before and I could see where memory was used up on the
> disk before and after defrag) is really unfortunate because I don't
> know where and what memory is used up.
>
> I'm pretty sure that FEDORA uses GPARTED to partition the disk. Are
> there any risks to partitioning during installation rather than before
> installation?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Jan 16, 10:55 am, "John Smith" <j....RemoveThis@smith.com> wrote:
>> Hello Maya, I took a look at GPARTED live cd that is a linux basically...
>> and it does supportSHRINKindeed.. so you canshrinkthe first NTFS volume,
>> thus leavingspacefor FERDORA,
>>
>> Im not sure about Ferdora, since it has been a long time since I have
>> used
>> that distro,
>> but other linux distros have GPARTED inside the INSTALLER of the Linux!
>>
>> In other words GPARTED is a part of the linux you will be installing, so
>> you
>> can indeed resize and make room for linux.. HOWEVER I strongly suggest
>> that
>> you backup all important data from vista before you do this..
>>
>> anything can go wrong, and its better to be safe than sorry!
>>
>> "Maya" <mariya.nago....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:859e1d74-ca4a-438b-a2ba-d7eb3d2c9ea0@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > The reason I'm trying toshrinkspaceand create a partition is
>> > because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
>> > planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
>> > that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
>> > installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
>> > partitioning methods orshrinkand partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
>> > not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>>
>> > Thanks a lot for your help
>>
>> > On Jan 15, 9:09 pm, "John Smith" <j....RemoveThis@smith.com> wrote:
>> >> so lets see....
>>
>> >> 1) vista has a defrag that doesnt work well (basically its SH!T) they
>> >> removed all visual feedback, whoever did this should burn in hell for
>> >> eternity.
>>
>> >> 2) and it also has a partition manager that cant resize the partitions
>> >> well
>> >> enough...
>>
>> >> GEE WHIZZZ, VISTA SUCKS!
>>
>> >> "Rick Rogers" <r....RemoveThis@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:uii9ZI%23VIHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> >> > Hi,
>>
>> >> > You may need to use a third party defrag program to move files that
>> >> > Vista's defrag routine cannot. If they are locked at the end of the
>> >> > volume, you won't be able toshrinkit until they are moved.
>>
>> >> > --
>> >> > Best of Luck,
>>
>> >> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> >> >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> >> > Windows help -www.rickrogers.org
>> >> > My thoughtshttp://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>
>> >> > "Maya" <mariya.nago....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-d8ff7222dce2@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> Hi,
>>
>> >> >> I am trying toshrinkspaceon my C: partition using the Vista Disk
>> >> >> Management program. I have 54.15GB of freespace; however when
>> >> >> trying
>> >> >> toshrinkthe C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
>> >> >>shrinkspace. I have done the following:
>> >> >> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
>> >> >> - disabled system restore
>> >> >> - cleaned up restore points
>> >> >> - defragmented the disk
>>
>> >> >> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
>> >> >> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it
>> >> >> only
>> >> >> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).
>>
>> >> >> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> >> >> Thanks.
>
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| Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:46 pm |
|
|
John Smith
Joined: 26 Jun 2007
Posts: 30
|
Size of available shrink space in MB = 0
the best way is before you install anything on a computer to have all your
patitions ready,
then install the OS's you want. This was the traditional way..
but since in reality people dont always know before hand what they are going
to do,
programs have come out that try to modify the partitions on a disk..
of course when doing this there is always a small risk something may go
wrong.
You understand this of course....
If you are asking if there is a difference in using GPART before you install
the Linux,
or use the built in shrinker of linux while you are installing, NO there is
no difference since
its basically the SAME PROGRAM! lol gparted is the opensource program that
all these linux uses..
see my other post about the ubuntu installer that lets you use linux without
paritioning..
it may interest you...
"Maya" <mariya.nagorna DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8587872f-b802-4862-b5bd-5a51c9171a89@21g2000hsj.googlegroups.com...
> Any advantage to partitioning before installing (as opposed to during
> installation)?
>
> On Jan 16, 11:43 am, "John Smith" <j... DeleteThis @smith.com> wrote:
>> ok your questions would need several pages to be answered fully.. but let
>> me
>> try to explain a few things..
>>
>> when a paritioning program resizes a volume, what it does is it copies
>> data
>> from the area of the disk that is to be emptied to the rest of the disk,
>> to
>> make room. The MS defrag and other free defrag programs (I know a few) do
>> not really move the files in the begining of the drive to have them all
>> nice
>> and tidy, instead they do "partial" defragmentation wich is quicker, BUT
>> it
>> does not move data out of the way for vista to be able to resize the
>> partition.
>>
>> Just to satisfy your curiosity here are the 2 free defraggers :
>>
>> http://www.auslogics.com/en/software/disk-defrag
>> andhttp://www.defraggler.com/
>>
>> but as I said, these 2 do not move the data in the start of the drive
>> like
>> you want.
>>
>> A good defrag program I have tested is RAXCO PERFECT DISK not free
>> though.
>>
>> I suggest that you make sure all important data is backed up, and use the
>> shrinking option in the FERDORA installtion
>> cd, toshrinkyour current partition and make room for linux...
>>
>> You can also do that before hand with GPARTED live cd.
>>
>> "Maya" <mariya.nago... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:33ddd727-cfad-4bd8-ba7d-c2505d110866@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > What about defragmentation - I used vista to defrag BEFORE I cleaned
>> > up the restore points. Would you recommend defragmenting now as well
>> > using vista's defragmentation program or obtain 3rd party defrag
>> > program (if you know any for free, that would be great).
>>
>> > When I run vista's defrag, it tells me that "Your file system
>> > performance is good. You do not need to defragment at this time". (but
>> > I CAN defrag) So I thought that after cleaning up the restore points,
>> > I didn't need to defrag. However, not being able to have a visual
>> > representation of the disk (XP has one, I think, 'cause I remember I
>> > did a defrag before and I could see where memory was used up on the
>> > disk before and after defrag) is really unfortunate because I don't
>> > know where and what memory is used up.
>>
>> > I'm pretty sure that FEDORA uses GPARTED to partition the disk. Are
>> > there any risks to partitioning during installation rather than before
>> > installation?
>>
>> > Thanks.
>>
>> > On Jan 16, 10:55 am, "John Smith" <j... DeleteThis @smith.com> wrote:
>> >> Hello Maya, I took a look at GPARTED live cd that is a linux
>> >> basically...
>> >> and it does supportSHRINKindeed.. so you canshrinkthe first NTFS
>> >> volume,
>> >> thus leavingspacefor FERDORA,
>>
>> >> Im not sure about Ferdora, since it has been a long time since I have
>> >> used
>> >> that distro,
>> >> but other linux distros have GPARTED inside the INSTALLER of the
>> >> Linux!
>>
>> >> In other words GPARTED is a part of the linux you will be installing,
>> >> so
>> >> you
>> >> can indeed resize and make room for linux.. HOWEVER I strongly suggest
>> >> that
>> >> you backup all important data from vista before you do this..
>>
>> >> anything can go wrong, and its better to be safe than sorry!
>>
>> >> "Maya" <mariya.nago... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:859e1d74-ca4a-438b-a2ba-d7eb3d2c9ea0@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > The reason I'm trying toshrinkspaceand create a partition is
>> >> > because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
>> >> > planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
>> >> > that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
>> >> > installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
>> >> > partitioning methods orshrinkand partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
>> >> > not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>>
>> >> > Thanks a lot for your help
>>
>> >> > On Jan 15, 9:09 pm, "John Smith" <j... DeleteThis @smith.com> wrote:
>> >> >> so lets see....
>>
>> >> >> 1) vista has a defrag that doesnt work well (basically its SH!T)
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> removed all visual feedback, whoever did this should burn in hell
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> eternity.
>>
>> >> >> 2) and it also has a partition manager that cant resize the
>> >> >> partitions
>> >> >> well
>> >> >> enough...
>>
>> >> >> GEE WHIZZZ, VISTA SUCKS!
>>
>> >> >> "Rick Rogers" <r... DeleteThis @mvps.org> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>news:uii9ZI%23VIHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> >> >> > Hi,
>>
>> >> >> > You may need to use a third party defrag program to move files
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > Vista's defrag routine cannot. If they are locked at the end of
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > volume, you won't be able toshrinkit until they are moved.
>>
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > Best of Luck,
>>
>> >> >> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> >> >> >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> >> >> > Windows help -www.rickrogers.org
>> >> >> > My thoughtshttp://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>
>> >> >> > "Maya" <mariya.nago... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-d8ff7222dce2@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >> Hi,
>>
>> >> >> >> I am trying toshrinkspaceon my C: partition using the Vista Disk
>> >> >> >> Management program. I have 54.15GB of freespace; however when
>> >> >> >> trying
>> >> >> >> toshrinkthe C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
>> >> >> >>shrinkspace. I have done the following:
>> >> >> >> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
>> >> >> >> - disabled system restore
>> >> >> >> - cleaned up restore points
>> >> >> >> - defragmented the disk
>>
>> >> >> >> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk
>> >> >> >> Director,
>> >> >> >> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version,
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> only
>> >> >> >> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about
>> >> >> >> 30GB).
>>
>> >> >> >> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> >> >> >> Thanks.
>
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