"HateSpam" <HateSpam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Dave wrote:
>> Do you keep scores on this? I'm not going to play your stupid "I'm
>> smarter than you coz I know more NWN stuff" game.
>
> That is EXACTLY the game you were playing.

He was acting like a troll so I treated him as such.

> If I don't want to answer
>> something I won't!
>
> Then why post about it?

I like baiting trolls. Seems to have worked on you to.

> "I know the answer but I won't tell you." Sheesh.

I know the answer because I used google to find it way back then. The
answer is still there and easy to find.

Dave

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> Dave wrote:
>> Do you keep scores on this? I'm not going to play your stupid "I'm
>> smarter than you coz I know more NWN stuff" game.
>
> That is EXACTLY the game you were playing.

He was acting like a troll so I treated him as such.

> If I don't want to answer
>> something I won't!
>
> Then why post about it?

I like baiting trolls. Seems to have worked on you to.

> "I know the answer but I won't tell you." Sheesh.

I know the answer because I used google to find it way back then. The
answer is still there and easy to find.

Dave

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 01:22:21 -0400, "Paul Fedorenko"
<pfedorenko.DeleteThis@look.ca> dared speak in front of ME:

>
>"Mike S." <mike.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 19 May 2005 17:52:40 -0400, John Salerno
>> <johnjsal.DeleteThis@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> game too difficult. I simply don't like something as important as my
>> hitpoints being decided by one random die roll every level up. An ease
>
>I've never let players reroll their hitpoints in pen-and-paper games, so why
>should a PC version of the same be any different? To do otherwise throws
>off the balance of the game,

Eh. I've played the P&P with randomly rolled HP - both straight roll,
and roll-twice-take best - as well as with simply giving average and
max HP per level (different campaigns, obviously) The balance isn't
thrown off to any noticable degree in those situations, because most
of the balance in P&P is about PC spotlight time.

>and reduces the challenge. If you only get 1
>or two hitpoints when you go up a level, so be it. If you play smart, the
>difference between 2 extra points and 7 is fairly slim anyway.

Indeed. Which is precisely why assigned vs random *doesn't* throw the
balance off.

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On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 01:22:21 -0400, "Paul Fedorenko"
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>"Mike S." <mike.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 19 May 2005 17:52:40 -0400, John Salerno
>> <johnjsal.DeleteThis@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> game too difficult. I simply don't like something as important as my
>> hitpoints being decided by one random die roll every level up. An ease
>
>I've never let players reroll their hitpoints in pen-and-paper games, so why
>should a PC version of the same be any different? To do otherwise throws
>off the balance of the game,

Eh. I've played the P&P with randomly rolled HP - both straight roll,
and roll-twice-take best - as well as with simply giving average and
max HP per level (different campaigns, obviously) The balance isn't
thrown off to any noticable degree in those situations, because most
of the balance in P&P is about PC spotlight time.

>and reduces the challenge. If you only get 1
>or two hitpoints when you go up a level, so be it. If you play smart, the
>difference between 2 extra points and 7 is fairly slim anyway.

Indeed. Which is precisely why assigned vs random *doesn't* throw the
balance off.

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"Kaos" <kaos.TakeThisOut@invalid.xplornet.com> wrote in message
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>>and reduces the challenge. If you only get 1
>>or two hitpoints when you go up a level, so be it. If you play smart, the
>>difference between 2 extra points and 7 is fairly slim anyway.
>
> Indeed. Which is precisely why assigned vs random *doesn't* throw the
> balance off.

Meh. I kinda shot myself in the foot with that argument. ah well.

"Kaos" <kaos.TakeThisOut@invalid.xplornet.com> wrote in message
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>>and reduces the challenge. If you only get 1
>>or two hitpoints when you go up a level, so be it. If you play smart, the
>>difference between 2 extra points and 7 is fairly slim anyway.
>
> Indeed. Which is precisely why assigned vs random *doesn't* throw the
> balance off.

Meh. I kinda shot myself in the foot with that argument. ah well.

Kaos <kaos RemoveThis @invalid.xplornet.com> looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 01:22:21 -0400, "Paul Fedorenko"
><pfedorenko RemoveThis @look.ca> dared speak in front of ME:
>
>>
>>"Mike S." <mike RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>news:c6mq81dnltpss60bjq0trlg2rr0sa7flpa@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 19 May 2005 17:52:40 -0400, John Salerno
>>> <johnjsal RemoveThis @NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> game too difficult. I simply don't like something as important as my
>>> hitpoints being decided by one random die roll every level up. An ease
>>
>>I've never let players reroll their hitpoints in pen-and-paper games, so why
>>should a PC version of the same be any different? To do otherwise throws
>>off the balance of the game,

There's also one other factor, the DM.

>Eh. I've played the P&P with randomly rolled HP - both straight roll,
>and roll-twice-take best - as well as with simply giving average and
>max HP per level (different campaigns, obviously) The balance isn't
>thrown off to any noticable degree in those situations, because most
>of the balance in P&P is about PC spotlight time.
>
>>and reduces the challenge. If you only get 1
>>or two hitpoints when you go up a level, so be it. If you play smart, the
>>difference between 2 extra points and 7 is fairly slim anyway.
>
>Indeed. Which is precisely why assigned vs random *doesn't* throw the
>balance off.

Unlike the computer version though a DM can deliberately "fudge" his
rolls if he doesn't want a player maimed/killed/whatever.

The computer version has to be balanced out such that the average hp is
the normal, and max hp is an aberration.
Maxing the HP is going to unbalance things, just as extra levels or
items would unbalance things, since the computer can't really work
around that.

Xocyll
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>On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 01:22:21 -0400, "Paul Fedorenko"
><pfedorenko.RemoveThis@look.ca> dared speak in front of ME:
>
>>
>>"Mike S." <mike.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>news:c6mq81dnltpss60bjq0trlg2rr0sa7flpa@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 19 May 2005 17:52:40 -0400, John Salerno
>>> <johnjsal.RemoveThis@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> game too difficult. I simply don't like something as important as my
>>> hitpoints being decided by one random die roll every level up. An ease
>>
>>I've never let players reroll their hitpoints in pen-and-paper games, so why
>>should a PC version of the same be any different? To do otherwise throws
>>off the balance of the game,

There's also one other factor, the DM.

>Eh. I've played the P&P with randomly rolled HP - both straight roll,
>and roll-twice-take best - as well as with simply giving average and
>max HP per level (different campaigns, obviously) The balance isn't
>thrown off to any noticable degree in those situations, because most
>of the balance in P&P is about PC spotlight time.
>
>>and reduces the challenge. If you only get 1
>>or two hitpoints when you go up a level, so be it. If you play smart, the
>>difference between 2 extra points and 7 is fairly slim anyway.
>
>Indeed. Which is precisely why assigned vs random *doesn't* throw the
>balance off.

Unlike the computer version though a DM can deliberately "fudge" his
rolls if he doesn't want a player maimed/killed/whatever.

The computer version has to be balanced out such that the average hp is
the normal, and max hp is an aberration.
Maxing the HP is going to unbalance things, just as extra levels or
items would unbalance things, since the computer can't really work
around that.

Xocyll
--
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a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

Xocyll wrote:
> There's also one other factor, the DM.
> Unlike the computer version though a DM can deliberately "fudge" his
> rolls if he doesn't want a player maimed/killed/whatever.

Yeah, but in CRPG you can always save and reload, so character death
isn't as "final" as it is in PnP. Is there anyone out there that has
*never* reloaded after their NWN character's death?

> The computer version has to be balanced out such that the average hp is
> the normal, and max hp is an aberration.
> Maxing the HP is going to unbalance things, just as extra levels or
> items would unbalance things, since the computer can't really work
> around that.

Fair 'nuff.
OTOH, unless the player is exporting "cheat" characters (where they've
maxed their HP, given themselves gold or magic items, etc.) to other
campaigns, who cares what the player does? If he "cheats" himself of
all the enjoyment or challenge, that's his business.

It's not like PnP where it reduces the enjoyment of the other players
because a player cheated so that the character outshines the rest of
the party. Mike S paid for a computer game, and he can play any way he
wants in the privacy of his home. He's not the first person to ask for
a "cheat", a little "how do you do this?" help, a workaround, etc.
_If_ he's hurting anyone, it's only himself cuz he's playing in a
manner that ends up *slightly* imbalanced, and it doesn't seem to be
bothering him any.

Xocyll wrote:
> There's also one other factor, the DM.
> Unlike the computer version though a DM can deliberately "fudge" his
> rolls if he doesn't want a player maimed/killed/whatever.

Yeah, but in CRPG you can always save and reload, so character death
isn't as "final" as it is in PnP. Is there anyone out there that has
*never* reloaded after their NWN character's death?

> The computer version has to be balanced out such that the average hp is
> the normal, and max hp is an aberration.
> Maxing the HP is going to unbalance things, just as extra levels or
> items would unbalance things, since the computer can't really work
> around that.

Fair 'nuff.
OTOH, unless the player is exporting "cheat" characters (where they've
maxed their HP, given themselves gold or magic items, etc.) to other
campaigns, who cares what the player does? If he "cheats" himself of
all the enjoyment or challenge, that's his business.

It's not like PnP where it reduces the enjoyment of the other players
because a player cheated so that the character outshines the rest of
the party. Mike S paid for a computer game, and he can play any way he
wants in the privacy of his home. He's not the first person to ask for
a "cheat", a little "how do you do this?" help, a workaround, etc.
_If_ he's hurting anyone, it's only himself cuz he's playing in a
manner that ends up *slightly* imbalanced, and it doesn't seem to be
bothering him any.

On 2 Jun 2005 06:07:39 -0700, alordofchaos RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:

> If he "cheats" himself of
>all the enjoyment or challenge, that's his business.
>
>It's not like PnP where it reduces the enjoyment of the other players
>because a player cheated so that the character outshines the rest of
>the party. Mike S paid for a computer game, and he can play any way he
>wants in the privacy of his home. He's not the first person to ask for
>a "cheat", a little "how do you do this?" help, a workaround, etc.
>_If_ he's hurting anyone, it's only himself cuz he's playing in a
>manner that ends up *slightly* imbalanced, and it doesn't seem to be
>bothering him any.



I agree...each player has his/her own style. For instance, I
personally don't like challenging rpg's and therefore am almost always
a "cheater". I'm an adventure gamer first and foremost who also
enjoys the rpg format. I like to wander around, look at the artwork
and manage the stuff. The combat is secondary to me. I ALWAYS play
on easy. I know it's terribly uncool to admit these things, but it is
my style of gameplay. Challenging, intense combat makes me feel
stressed and overwhelmed -- my reflexes are not fast. I realize that
most of the posters here are hardcore rpg types, but there ARE people
like me out there. I'm not saying that Mike S. is this way but just
wanted to give an example from a different perspective.

On 2 Jun 2005 06:07:39 -0700, alordofchaos DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:

> If he "cheats" himself of
>all the enjoyment or challenge, that's his business.
>
>It's not like PnP where it reduces the enjoyment of the other players
>because a player cheated so that the character outshines the rest of
>the party. Mike S paid for a computer game, and he can play any way he
>wants in the privacy of his home. He's not the first person to ask for
>a "cheat", a little "how do you do this?" help, a workaround, etc.
>_If_ he's hurting anyone, it's only himself cuz he's playing in a
>manner that ends up *slightly* imbalanced, and it doesn't seem to be
>bothering him any.



I agree...each player has his/her own style. For instance, I
personally don't like challenging rpg's and therefore am almost always
a "cheater". I'm an adventure gamer first and foremost who also
enjoys the rpg format. I like to wander around, look at the artwork
and manage the stuff. The combat is secondary to me. I ALWAYS play
on easy. I know it's terribly uncool to admit these things, but it is
my style of gameplay. Challenging, intense combat makes me feel
stressed and overwhelmed -- my reflexes are not fast. I realize that
most of the posters here are hardcore rpg types, but there ARE people
like me out there. I'm not saying that Mike S. is this way but just
wanted to give an example from a different perspective.